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Would you want your pet cloned?

July 7th 2009 06:58
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Bernann McKinney and one of her five cloned pit bull puppies


In August 2008 a Californian woman named Bernann McKinney sold her house to raise US$50,000 to buy five puppies, and declared the deal a "miracle".

The puppies were the world's first commercially cloned dogs, produced by a South Korean company named RNL Bio. They were genetically identical to each other, cloned from the frozen remains of an ear of Bernann McKinney's original dog which had died two years earlier of old age. He was a pit bull terrier. His name was Booger.

The puppies were “perfectly the same as their daddy. I am in heaven here," McKinney said. “I had to make sacrifices and I dream of the day, some day, when everyone can afford to clone their pet, because losing a pet is a terrible, terrible loss to anyone,” she said.

So, a woman swaps a house for five copies of a pit bull named Booger, a faithful companion of 10 years. That's her right, and we wish her every happiness with Boogers 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

Where we might take issue is with her final statement above. Yes, losing a pet is tough, but McKinney implies that, for anyone with the money, the "terrible loss" can be erased by cloning. A new version of the old. A recyclable dog.

This is surely debatable. For many people, recreating a pet in this way would be a travesty. A dog cavorts through puppyhood, provides love and support through middle age and needs love and support through old age. Leaving out all religious, moral and philosophical arguments, there is still a question of why anyone would want to repeat the story of a life.

A much-loved dog is a near-perfect story. Is it one which should be retold, or should we look for a new story?

Would you want your pet cloned?


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Comment by Carolyn Cordon

July 7th 2009 07:27
A dog is created through nature and nurture. You cannot have the same dog, because their life experience will be different.

I say it is disrespectful to the deceased dog, to think he can live on in this way. Each dog has to be itself, not a remake of the dog it came from.

NO sir, I don't like it.

Comment by Chris Champion

July 7th 2009 08:39
Hi Carolyn,

I wanted to say no two dogs can be alike, but I couldn't see past the genetic blueprint thing. But of course, as you say, it doesn't matter how identical they are at birth, life experiences will make them different.

Excellent point well made. Thank you!

Comment by Roux

July 7th 2009 15:36
Puppies are made between a dog and his bitch. They decide when and where, that is if the people let 'em. I think that's nature. Mom, would like to have her Colt back, 'cause he died young as an accident but she promised me that she wouldn't sell our house or anything, and that it still wouldn't be Colt, so she wouldn't do that. Roux

Genetically identical refers to the physical makeup of a person, animal, whatever, it does not refer the the being within the body. As a believer in being rejoined with my animals when I die, I believe they have souls too, and that is what makes up the animal I love, not a bunch of genes that can be cloned.

Janice (Roux's Mom)

Comment by Chris Champion

July 7th 2009 21:31
Hi Roux and Janice,

Well said, again. Another thought comes to me - as I look back at my life, do I want to see one dog with mild variations of personality or many dogs with many personalities? I think the answer is obvious.

Comment by Heidi/Clyde

July 8th 2009 07:59
It never ceases to amaze me how people cannot see beyond their one "perfect" pet. Patricia Mc Connell, a world renowned animal behaviourist who specialises in dogs, refers to them as the one in a million, "my dog" dogs. If you ever get one be eternally grateful but don't ever expect to repeat the experience. There will be other dogs which will delight you in so many other ways but no dog will ever be the same as your "my dog" and why should it be? Surely, as Carolyn says, it is disrespectful to the original dog's memory to try to repeat the experience? Imagine if we expected all our children to be clones of the "perfect" child!

There have been some fascinating experiments on the influences of Nature (genetics) and nurture (upbringing) on personalities. Skinner, a very forward thinking animal psychologist of the 1960s started them I think. They prove conclusively that the 2 things are equally important so I suspect McKinney is going to be very disappointed. Also wasn't that South Korean lab proven to be fiddling with the truth a bit? Even more dissappointed!

It has to be pretty screwed up thinking to spend $50,000.00 chasing an unrealistic dream doesn't it? Especially when there are so many lovely dogs in shelters waiting to find a home.

The other interesting scientific fact is that they are tending to find that cloned animals age more quickly than normal ones, something to do I suppose with the age of the cells they start with, so you spend $50,000 and your dream dies after about 5 years? what then?

Me I'm sticking to fostering GAP greyhounds, it is such fun meeting all the different personalities as they come through the programme and you get to choose the ones you keep so you get the right dogs, even if they aren't quite "my dogs". The only problem is that once youv'e decided to keep 2 there really isn't room to keep another one as well as the foster hound or hounds (Chris, imagine sharing your dressing room with 4 Scratchys). It would have been so nice if we could have kept Nanna and Cella and Tyson and Amber and Josh and Harry and ..........

Jennie (aka the Missus)

Comment by Roux

July 8th 2009 21:29
Mom says that greyhound people call the "extra special ones" their Heart dogs. She says Colt was her heart dog, but she loves me bunches and bunches so that's ok, it's just a people name thing.

Roux 'b Doux (my heart is hers so so what)

Jennie,

You are so right, and if you sell your house to get eight dogs, how do you house the dogs? Strange and stupid in my opinion.

Janice

Comment by Heidi/Clyde

July 9th 2009 14:20
Heart dogs, I'd not heard that expression. I really like it. Janice I think you'd like Patricia McConnell, she is American and has her own on-line shop. Trouble is she doesn't ship to Australia so I had to be a bit sneaky to get her books but they are absolutely fabulous. "Try Tales of Two Species" as a starter, my favourite is "For the love of a Dog" it is fascinating and she backs all her statements up with good scientific proof.

I have this vision of 8 growing Pit Bulls all confined in a caravan (a trailer?). It doesn't really bear thinking about does it? At least you could hope that 8 Poodles or Greyhounds would have the sense not to take out their frustration on each other or on you but Pit Bulls?

Jennie.

G'day Roux,

Geeze dun hoomans carry on? Me mate Heidi an me dun care thut we're nut ther scone hot dogs fer ther Missus an ther Boss. We gets all ther tummy rubs an ear scratches now ('ceptin when ther Foster hounds put in ther nips, I gets a bit narked when they gets more rubs than me). Words is nuthin'. Uts rubs an warm beds an good tucker an a place in ther sun thut counts.

Clyde.


Comment by Chris Champion

July 9th 2009 23:12
Hi Roux,

Mom, would like to have her Colt back, 'cause he died young as an accident but she promised me that she wouldn't sell our house or anything, and that it still wouldn't be Colt, so she wouldn't do that.

I love that!

Hi Jennie,

Thanks for a wonderful comment. That deserves to be a blog post or feature article somewhere. As for the trailer caravan vision, you trying to give me nightmares? I'll take the poodles any day.

Hi Clyde,

We all have our priorities. I like yours.


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